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tonight, did janet jackson try to save her brother? his doctor says he tried to help. >> he came to me at the towers. >> could one of jackson's other physicians administered a deadly dose of drugs? >> there are certain people in this world who are not reasonable. >> janet desperately wanted to stage an intervention. the shocking details about what made her act, how michael shut her and the entire jackson family out. plus -- the latest on the death
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investigation. mjs final resting place and the explosive comments from arnie klein about the pop star's plastic surgery. >> what i wanted to do is, you know, stop it. i felt that, you know, we were losing body parts. >> it's all next on "larry king live." >> good evening. we begin with breaking news and what could be criminal charges in the michael jackson case. here's what l.a. police chief william bratton told us just moments ago. >> well, the inquiry into the death of mr. jackson is continuing. we will still await corroboration from the coroner's office as to the cause of death. that is going to be very dependent on the toxicology reports that are due to come
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back. and based on those, we'll have an idea of what it is that we're dealing with. are we dealing with homicide? are we dealing with an accidental overdose? what are we dealing with? so as we're standing here speaking, i can tell you we don't have that information. >> wait until the coroner or finished? you don't have to wait until the report is out, do you, to change the classification of the investigation? >> we have a very comprehensive and far-reaching investigation which has been pretty widely reported in the media that we're looking at his prescription drug history, the doctors that he's dealt with over the years. and the cooperation of the dea and the state attorney general's office who keeps those records. so those are being looked at by our person until. we at the time offered that with search warrants. we seized a number of items from the residence in which the death occurred. and those will assist in the investigation as it moves
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forward. >> do you have a sense of the classification or the death classification to a homicide, what needs to take place? >> that would actually be the coroner's determination. he makes the determination as to the nature of the death. >> do you wait for him to change the investigation? >> in terms of our investigation which is a comprehensive set of inquiries so that no mat cher way the coroner's finding would go, the multiple findings he may make, we would be in a position to not have lost time. we're waiting for that report. so we're not marking time waiting for the report. we're gathering based on our experience in these matters and unfortunately los angeles we have a lot of experience with death investigations. we have very good investigators. so there will be privy to what other causes may be. >> any cooperation from all the
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doctors? >> i will speak to the intimacies of the investigations. that's not our policy. but we are, as has been reported in the media, speaking to and will be seeking to speak to a number of the physicians that attend the mr. jackson over the years that he was being treated. >> and finally, you know, people think oh, homicide investigation. doctors. there's a clear difference, is there not, possibly of intent and possible charges. just because the investigation is going one way, doesn't mean some physician is going to be thrown in jail. >> i'm not even going to speak to that. we'll wait to see what the coroner comes back with. and then once he comes back with his determination, we will speak in a much clearer and very open way what our course of action will be. but i'm not going to speculate at this time. we're going to wait until he comes back with findings. he has his role of responsibility and we have our role of responsibility. but the next move really is his.
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>> cnn's ted rollins spoke to the chief. he joins us. drew grif sin us with in atlanta. defense attorney trent copeland also a cbs news legal analyst is here. stacy honowitz, florida assistant state attorney general. thank you for joining us. ted, first, to the police chief's comments. what brought before b. this change? >> basically, he said that there isn't change. from the beginning, they have treated this basically like, as he put it, an investigation into the worst case scenario. so they're treating it like a homicide investigation. if it turns out that that's not what they needed to do, then they did the work and they won't use it. but if the coroner come back and says this is a homicide, then they're prepared to have the information so basically the message is, is it stl a death investigation? yes. are we prepared for it to be a homicide investigation? absolutely. and we're waiting for the coroner. >> trent, i heard the chief use the word corroboration. doesn't that sound like it
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ratchets up this investigation? >> it does. and jim, as you know as an attorney, you know, the word corroboration typically has a real meaning in court. it means, look, we're looking for something to further substantiate what we already believe may be the case. so when i hear the word corroboration, if i'm a lawyer for any one of these five or six doctors, i am really understanding that this case may be ratcheted up. i'm putting my seat belt on. if i'm one of the lawyers, one of these doctors, i'm lawyering up. so, look, the truth is i think the chief spoke very clearly. but i think he spoke very cautiously and judiciously. but the message is, if you're a defense lawyer, get ready for your phone to ring. i think doctors are going to be in need of a legal representation. >> stacy, what's your take from florida? >> listen, we -- i think in the very beginning when this first happened we heard that there were a lot of drugs and people came out and said he was being enabled and had this, you know, all these narcotics in the house. we knew it was probably going to
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go this route. i think what trent said with the captain said, you know, it's an investigation. we're looking to see. nobody knows anything at this point. what we hear right now is a lot of speculation. because we are hearing that there were several doctors involved. we're hearing that false names were involved. maybe he got prescriptions using false names. maybe the doctors knew that he was already taking drugs and they enabled him. so it's a wait and see situation now. they'll do a thorough investigation. they are bringing in the dea. they're bringing heavy hitters to try to figure out, to try to find out where this emanated from. they're looking back and they're taking in every bit of evidence that they possibly can to make a determination in the case. >> and drew griffin this is consistent with your investigative reports, isn't it? >> yeah. and i think one of the biggest things that we got out of ted's interview here is homicide or accidental overdose? we're no longer talking about natural death as far as i can glean from this interview. and, jim, you know you covered a lot of these cases in l.a. i really didn't get the sense
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this is ratcheted up. i get the sense that the lapd is going to have all its ducks in a row to either put this to rest when the coroner comes out and says this was an accident or to not face any criticism if it turns out to be a homicide and they have to turn this into a criminal case. so i think -- >> ted? but it is not ratcheting up. it sounds like the chief is getting us ready to hear the words charges or homicide investigation. >> yeah. absolutely. i think the fact that he said possible homicide investigation, it's on the table now, officially. you know, there's been a lot of this story more than any, really, recent memory. a lot of reporting through sources and one source, two source. and some of it has quite frankly been way off base. i think what the chief did, though, is bring it back to, you know, back home to the chief of the police that's investigating and make no mistake. they are running this investigation. the da is helping out a little bit. and the attorney general is watching. but lapd is handling it.
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>> we have a lot more to come. just getting started. back with more right after. this you're watching "larry king live."
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welcome back to "larry king live." i'm sitting in for larry. we're balking about the bretalkg news in the michael jackson case. trent, take us through this process. we know that in the anna nicole case, and this case is compared
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to that already, it took about a year, perhaps a little longer, before we saw charges. if this becomes a homicide investigation, do you expect this will be a lengthy one? >> i don't think that this case will be any different than anna nicole smith. in fact, i think it will be multiplied beyond. that look, there are a lot of records in this case apparently that authorities would have to go through. michael jackson took a lot of prescription medications apparently. he apparently had a lot -- a large number of doctors, a lot of people who are willing to assist him. so you have to go through the data bases associated with who prescribed the medication, when did they prescribe the medication? were they aware of michael jackson's medical history at the time of prescribing that medication? they'll talk to some of these people assuming any of these people are willing to talk to them and assuming those people have not. those lawyers are asking them not to talk, not to reveal any personal statements associationed with their relationship with michael jackson. this is going to be an exhaustive and extensive search.
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i think as chief bratton indicated in the report, they've already begun their investigation and i think they've hit the ground running. so i think unlike the anna nicole smith, i don't think this will extend out as far as anna nicole smith. i think it really has tentacles. >> as far as people? >> no, i don't think it will extend in the amount of time. >> stacy, the la police chief did say, a number of physicians overyears. so they're looking at a long period of time, not necessarily just those drugs that were in his system when he died, right? >> yeah, that's right. there are other doctors that went internationally with him. there are so many records and so many tentacles in this case. and also, you know, you run into a very big problem also when you're looking back at doctors that maybe enabled him or, you know, were so excited to be in his, you know, company. so they gave him. you know, not every drug that's given is given by prescription. he might have walked into a office, asked the doctor for something. the doctor might not have wrote a prescription.
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he might have had the medication in the office. so there is a lot of work that's going into this and a lot of details. i don't know how long we're looking at. but it's substantial investigation. >> drew, what about stacy's point? what about drugs that were not necessarily prescribed but given to michael jackson? you have found anything more on that? you talk about a lot of drugs and specifically during this 96 concert tour when given drugs. we're talking about a long period of time and a lot of medication. >> look at our sorgsurces, some the drugs were in prescription bod wel bottles with no prescriptions on them. was somebody else getting the prescriptions and then giving them to michael jackson? so i mean it's going to have to be very exhaustive to determine going back, you know, whether michael jackson was defrauding his own physicians saying i have this ailment knowing that that kind of an ailment or that ache would result in the kind of
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medicine he was craving at the time. very difficult to prove. and the intent of the doctor, i think it will be exhaustive. >> we have 30 seconds left. i'm sorry, you wanted to make another point. >> we're talking about a lot of doctors who are probably very nervous tonight. >> right. but a tough case to prove as drew touched on. look at anna nicole smith. three people around her for years. every zr a built in defense weapon. >> and there were charges, by the way. >> i gave him this, i had no idea he was taking. that it's going to be very difficult to prove that doctors knew that what they were giving him might have been lethal. >> trent, there are records. >> there are records. but, as you indicated, there may not be records associated with every single prescription. if i'm the defense lawyer, look, i'm looking at this case and saying this is a defensible case unless there is something very definite that connects me with that prescription. >> a lot more to talk about. we have news about neverland and michael's burial. we'll get into that in just about 60 seconds. you're watching "larry king live."
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>> california law says you have to bury in a cemetery, right? >> that's pretty much, yes. but, as you know, the ones who make the laws can make the changes, too. i would love to see him here. >> a place here? >> yes, there is a special place right over near the train station right over there. >> and we saw it before? >> yes. it's hard, larry, to point where your brother is going to be. it's tough. >> ted rollins has the late toast day on that possibility. ted, what do you make of that? do you think that -- do you think that michael jackson will be buried at neverland? >> well, here's what we found out. somebody from the jackson camp, an attorney contacted the state last thursday.
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and qurd aboinquiried about hown bury him there at neverland. the law doesn't says can you do it. in fact, the state says in order to bury grandma in your backyard, fill out a two-page form, pay $400 -- >> in one sense. >> then go to the county and say it is all right if we do this burial. >> and that's the tricky part. santa barbara county has never done it before. >> ever. they don't know -- they don't have a template. so what they're doing is waiting to see if, indeed, the jacksons do decide. it sounds like there isn't a decision, obviously. >> we don't know if there is a split within the family. >> right. >> as far as santa barbara county is concerned, they haven't heard from him. they'll deal with it after they get an application. clearly, they indicated to us, it could happen. >> so like the rest of the story, everything is still a mystery. >> yeah. >> okay. there's more. did janet jackson stage an intervention to help her brother michael? we'll get to that right after the break.
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we're talking to mico brando, friend and long time employee of michael jackson. michael was his best manned at his wedding and godfather to his daughter. ted rollins, a cnn correspondent is back with us as is drew griffin, cnn investigative correspondent. carlos diaz is here and a psychiatrist and addiction expert. thank you for joining us. we're talking about the latest developments in the michael jackson case. drew griffin, you have some information about janet jackson trying to stage an intervention for her brother. >> we heard about this before, rumored to be an intervention from the familiment but two sources have now come forward.
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sources close to this family. they say in 2007, early 2007, janet visited michael jackson at a home he was renting in las vegas, a home baron of furniture and creepy look ago cording to one of our sources. janet was really fright enened h she saw her brother. she was so frightened by this, she came back to her brothers in february. they were in las vegas for the nba all-star weekend. and they tried to stage an intervention. go to michael jackson and try to get him to at least accept some counseling for drugs. and jackson ordered his security to stop them at the gate. he wouldn't even see them. >> when you hear this 2007, you were friends with michael jackson, yes? >> yep. >> when you hear the words creepy looking, thin, and disshovelled, do any of those words ring true to you? >> no. michael has always been thin. i mean better than overweight.
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he gained a little bit of weight. he lost a lot of weight. he went up and down. so it wasn't -- he always looked the same. there wasn't anything different that would stand out. >> how you would describe michael's relationship with janet? >> close. brother and sister. >> were you aware of any intervention? >> i heard about it. i wasn't there. but i heard about it. >> so this sounds correct to you? >> i heard about it. i wasn't there. >> are you aware of any other interventions? >> no. >> just the one? >> pretty sure, yeah. >> dr. reid, when you talk about staging an intervention, michael jackson has been known to surround himself with people who want to agree with him. and if you don't, or try to tell him something he doesn't want to hear, you're pushed out. that's common with an intervention, correct? >> most interventions, there's a lot of prep work for intervention. i mean first off, you are always thinking like five steps ahead. because the biggest factor with intervention is overcoming deni denial. so you get all these people that care about the individual, love
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the individual, comes from a loving place. you get people that are impactful on their lives, somebody meaningful and somebody they're going to respect. usually it's family members and colleagues. and the goal is we have to have a place picked out. we know where we're going to go. here is how we're going to overcome the denial. it's like a quarterback in a football game. >> but you're hearing drew talk about michael calling his security in to kick everyone out. he's paying the security. what do you do? >> here comes the problem. when you're treating someone who's not a celebrity, you don't have this whole, you know, i call them the enabling entourage, right, the team of people that are basing their careers off of the celebrity. in this case, you have to get by that. now the only person who can really do that are family members, if somebody's going to listen to them, or the individual themselves. sometimes what can you do is can you do an intervention based on a mental health issue, like somebody doesn't have capacity to actually take care of themselves. and can you do it that way. can you send somebody to a hospital where they're going to
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be evaluated and potentially in an er or up to 72 hours to see if they have a legitimate problem. >> i'm going to listen to something right now. michael's long-time dermatologist arnie klein was a guest on "larry king live" last night. michael was treated for an addiction years ago. let's listen to that clip now. >> did michael have an addiction you were aware snf. >> michael at one time had an addiction. he wnt to england and he withdrew the addiction in a security setting where went off of drugs altogether. and what i told michael when i met him in his present situation where i was seeing him, i had to keep reducing the dosage of what he was on. he came to me with a huge tolerance level. >> miko, talk about -- he was treated. were you -- you knew him at that time as well. >> correct. >> and after he came out of the treatment, did you notice a difference in him for a long period of time? and then did you sense that he was getting back into drugs? >> no.
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not at all. >> so you noticed no changes whatsoever? >> no. i mean he was a better person, you know. no nothing drastic. >> dr. reef, when you go through treatment and then -- what are you, generally one addiction to another because now we're talking about the potential of addiction to an anesthesia which is very different from an opium, isn't it? >> yeah. typically in, the rehab world i see opium and prescription pills, narcotics and illicit drugs like heroin or stimulants like aderol and ritalin and that group and then benzos, hypnotics. here we're looking at a general anesthesia drug that is used in an o.r. and is used by anesthesiologists. it's not supposed to be taken at home. so that is question mark number one. why is this drug at home?
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it's not known to be abuse liability. because it is so rare to ever find someone addicted to it. i mean this seems almost like improper use at some point by either an individual themselves or by a doctor's kind of running the show. because it's not supposed to be there. that's the bottom line. >> we want to talk about this more. more after. this you're watching "larry king live" on cnn. dddddddddd
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m. miko brando is helping us sort this out. the big news from larry's interview dr. klein last night focused on michael and the drug
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diprivan. listen. >> did michael tell you he used diprivan? >> i knew at one point he was using diprivan when he was on tour in germany. and so he was using it with an anesthesiology toist go to sleep at night. i told him he was absolutely insane. i said you have to understand that this drug you can't repeatedly take. what happens with narcotics, no matter what you do, you build a tolerance for them. >> are you surprised that diprivan was found in his home, supposedly? >> i am very shocked by it. i have to tell you that it's not something that would be unheard of. because i told him that this drug was very dangerous. >> and what did he say when you told him? >> he listened to me. >> drew griffin, very quickly. diprivan was found in michael jackson's home, correct? >> that's right. and the nurse practitioner as you remember was saying in april, he was asking for that by name. he was basically saying i will pay any amount of money to a doctor who will get me diprivan. this is what he is saying and
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describing just how easily that medication, he thought, put him to sleep. we know now that it was really a narcotic coma that it puts you in. >> dr. reef, do you rest with diprivan? >> not really. it just shuts down the system. it's got such a short house life. it brings you right back. >> if you know the doctor prexriping dipriva number a patient, what do you do? >> diprivan is a very common an thetic in a hospital. but if you're at home, the first question is why? that really is -- it sounds so simple. but it's really a ligit question. why? what purpose you could possibly have to put someone under in a home? i mean you better have an oxygen tank there. you better know the airway, what's happening with the airway. you better know -- you have to have precaution there's. >> and carlos? >> that's a great point. because, i mean, you just said it yourself in the best way possible. diprivan is not a drug where it's, you know, bottle
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over-the-counter thing. you have to have oxygen tanks and anesthesiologist there to administer it. >> but he said on tour there was a mini clinic. >> exactly. but, see, that's the point. as the police begin to look into this, you're not just looking for something that is just, you know, readily available. diprivan is something that's so rare that it's going to be almost easier to trace because it's not ever administered in that way. >> miko, did you ever see ivs or any medical equipment at michael's home? >> never. >> were you ever aware that he was using anything to go to sleep? did he ever talk to you about insomnia? >> no. >> we heard one doctor describe this tour in '96 where he would bring him down at night and bring him up. did you ever have any discussions, any notice -- ever notice anything? >> no. i wasn't with him all the time. i was working on the tour. >> so you were on that tour? >> yes. >> and were you there with dr. ratner, the doctor with him, an
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anesthesiologyist? >> no. >> no. >> i mean i was working on the other side of the tour. i wasn't with him all the time. >> dr. reef, how likely is it that this could have been kept a secret for years? >> diprivan itself? >> using it. >> you need -- you don't administer it to yourself. >> here's the thing, if you've got an entire entourage of people that are all supporting you and are yes men to you, it could go undetected for years. it happens with, i mean there are lots of slep adverticelebri have yes people around them are doing things and taking pills that other people don't know. >> larry pressed dr. klein for more information about this very same subject. let's listen. >> did you ever see any iv type equipment in his house? >> never. >> do you ever see diprivan in his home? >> no. i never did. and i also told him specific lit
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dangers of the diprivan, the dangers of using it by someone who is not an anesthesiologist. >> did he have an insomnia problem? >> not that i knew of. except once we went on tour. he was in hawaii. he couldn't get to sleep. so me and my whole office went to sleep in the room with him. so i never knew that he had a problem with sleep until this whole tour came up or basically this problem with sleep at that time. i did know that he did certainly, you know, anesthesia. this is not something we discussed repeatedly. i just got shocked. he assured me he stopped. >> ted, we've heard throughout this case that there was some people around michael jackson that were concerned about him. for a long time. members of his own family were worried that if they didn't step in as janet tried to do, something would happen. >> yeah. but as the doctor said earlier, you're talking about somebody who potentially was an addict. you know, they tried to help and then michael did get help. i don't think michael jackson is acting any differently than any
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other addict out there. and people have interventions with their sons and doctors and husbands and wives for years. and what this case is doing though is bringing the prescription medication problem to light again for national debate. and that could be the one silver lining here. >> we have to take a break. we'll update you on breaking news in the jackson case next. you're watching "larry king liv live".
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now there are reports, doctor, that his body was rid ammed with needle marks when he died. did he see any evidence of needle marks? >> i didn't examine his entire body. >> did you see any on prior exams? >> no. i never saw them. that i could tell you. i didn't see a riddling of anything. people made it sound like there were holes in him. >> larry: reports he was emaciated. >> he wasn't emaciated. i know dancers. i work with them many times. they're very concerned about their weight. and so i knew that he always wanted to be thin. and i talked to him about eating and making sure deidn't overexercise. in order to overdance, in order to keep your weight down. >> miko brando, when you hear dr. klein talking about this and you hear about reports of being riddled with needle marks and you hear the word addict associated with your friend -- >> it hurts me. it's ridiculous.
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we're talking about michael. he's not here to defend himself. we're speculating. >> we're not condemning him. >> we're talking about it. >> because he passed away. >> right. >> and doctors were trying to figure out why. he was 50 years old, supposed fli perfect health. clearly not. >> once the report come out, it will answer all these questions. for now, we're just speculating. >> dr. reef, there are some things can you say, there are red flags, aren't there? >> it's all based on, you know, stuff that -- comments that people have made. i don't know for a fact. because i don't treat him. but if you look at a history of prescription pills, multiple prescription pills, different types of pills, diprivan in the house, a cardiac arrest, i mean all of those lead to -- there was some kind of problem there involving prescription pills. and, you know, if you look at the data between 1999 and 2004,
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prescription pills fatal overdoses have doubled. six million people or more are abusing prescription pills in this country. i mean it's not -- this is a big deal. >> larry also pressed dr. klein on another issue, the paternity issue. klein refused to rule out that he might be the father of jackson's two oldest children as some reports suggest. >> larry: earlier today you said you couldn't answer that one way or the other. >> i still can't answer it absolutely one way or the other. >> larry: that means you donated sperm? >> i once donated sperm. i don't know. you have to know -- >> larry: did you donate it to him? >> absolutely not. >> or you donated sperm? >> i donated sperm for a sperm bank. i don't think i should go over my legal past. i think to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father. i want to tell you this discussion, however, is between michael's children and his person. it's not to be discussed who the father is over national
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television. >> larry: it's no one's business. except he's become the public's business. >> let me tell you something. there is something called private lives. can't we leave this alone? can't we leave these children alone? these are brilliant talented children. and forget this. understand, this man loved these children. these children loved him. >> larry: you don't feel you have to take a dna test to prove anything? >> i don't care at this point. >> carlos diaz, your show "extra" posed an interesting question today about who could be the father of the youngest child, blanket. you posed the possibility -- you're laughing, you are the father of blanket? do you know who the father is? do you believe michael is the father? do you know who the marriage is? >> no. >> you're laughing. >> this is a joke. >> why?
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paternity is an issue, ted. we know in california the reality is that from a legal perspective it doesn't matter. >> i think the other thing about this whole case is that the ridiculousness of it because of who michael jackson was. you know, one thing we saw at that memorial is these kids love him. and he was their father. >> you think he was a loved dad? >> that has nothing to do with it. and it's not going to be part of this investigation. he is riddled with the track marks. riddled. did you ever use that term? no. but when it comes to michael jackson, he is riddled. that's the sad part of this whole thing. >> they lost their dad. that's their dad and that's it. that's their dad. >> we interviewed on "extra" we interviewed carry fisher. she said undeniably that michael jackson was an amazing father to the kids. they were very well behaved and
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they weren't raised by nannies. they were raised by michael jackson and all the speculation that's out there, michael jackson was their father, not only a father figure but a true father to these kids. >> that's what we're trying to do. we're trying to separate the fact from the fiction. we'll be back with more. let's wrap up a major development in the michael jackson case tonight. the l.a. police chief confirms that jackson's doctors are being investigated and that criminal charges could result from the police probe. also, the jackson family is aware of these developments. in addition, doctors not cooperating were issued subpoenas. we're back in 60 seconds. mr. evans? this is janice from onstar. i have received an automatic signal you've been in a front-end crash. do you need help? yeah. i'll contact emergency services and stay with you. you okay? yeah.
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onstar. standard for one year on 14 chevy models. >> larry: here is. here is a story about a woman that wants to change the
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world and is doing something about it. >> larry: what made you start this, pamela? >> i started the program in 2004 after losing my only brother to complexions of diabetes and obesity. i wanted to do something to lift that burden from children. and other families so they wouldn't have to suffer like my family did. we started as a pilot program where we converted a vacancy classroom in a middle school and tried the pilot program where we're working with a cafeteria manager. we got the vending machine companies to at least go 50/50 on the healthy-unhealthy items. the biggest thing is converting that classroom into a health club. they had no safe place to go. >> larry: you are seeing results? >> we're seeing a lot of results. the kids have their own personal trainers. they have nutritionists that work with them. they're exposed to a lot of different programs such as
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martial arts classes. they do hip hop dance. they have aerobics. pedestrian omteres are a big thing. we challenge them to get at least 10,000 steps a day. and so it's going really, really well. >> larry: obesity is one of the leading causes of preventable death in this country. an estimated 129 million americans might be overweight or obese. we salute i, pamela. keep on keeping on. >> we'll be back with more on the michael jackson investigation right after this. stay with us.
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let's go to erica hill. >> just ahead on the show, the latest on the investigation into michael jackson's death. we're going to continue talking about this, about that new shocking information coming out about jackson's suspected drug use. also, some new information on how he allegedly got those drugs. we'll bring you the latest. plus, american polygamist living in mexico gunned down by mexican drug cartel. just what were they doing in mexico and why were they targeted? we'll bring you the latest. an an exclusive report on the fight for afghanistan. the pakistani military putting its cease-fire option on the table. but would the u.s. actually work with the taliban? michael wear will join us live with a 360 exclusive. those stories and a look at the jackson family up close, that's ahead on "360" tonight. jim, back to you. >> good to see you. thank you, that's erica hill sitting in for "ac 360" tonight following us. larry last night spoke to dr. klein about many situations with michael jackson. specifically his skin condition. watch this.
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>> larry: how bad was his? >> his was bad. he began to get a speckled look on his body. >> larry: all over his body? >> all over his body, on his face, his hands, which were very difficult to treat. >> let's clear up something. he was not someone desirous of being white? >> no. michael was black and very proud of his black heritage. he changed the world for black people. >> how do you treat it? >> there's certain treatments. there's certain drugs and ultraviolet light treatments to make the white spots turn dark, or his became so severe that the easier way is to use certain creams to make the dark spots turn light. >> your decision was he would go light? >> that's what the decision had to be because there was too much vitiligo to deal with. >> he would have to wear heavy, heavy makeup on stage, and he couldn't go out in public without looking terribly
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peculiar. >> this is a friend of yours. did he ever talk to you about this condition? >> you heard dr. klein. that's exactly the truth. >> was it something that bothered and disturbed michael jackson? was he concerned about what people thought of him? >> he had a disease he had treated. that's it. >> what do you think his most misunderstood about michael? what do you want to set the record straight on? >> just a wonderful, honest, nice friend. always there when you needed him. and he just -- his charm, his wit, his sense of humor. he's just a good guy. let's start talking about the positive of michael, not the negative. >> dr. reef, you think something positive can come out of discussing the potential drug abuse, because there are millions of people in this country battling this same addiction? >> yeah, there is some good to come out of this. if we can highlight the prescription pill dependence ep demi in this country and
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regulate that better and inform people and educate people about how you have to be your own consumer, man, you have to know exactly what you take in your body. if you can't do it or if you're altered, you need someone else to check you out to see what you're putting in there. you're your own consumer. there's many, many good doctors in this country, but there are some that really need to be educated if not reprimanded in some ways based on the amount of prescription pills that they're willing to sxrib what kinds. >> more "larry king live" coming up. stay with us.
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welcome back to "larry king live." do you have thoughts on the michael jackson death investigation? logon to cnn.com/larryking and let your voice be heard. while you're there check out miko's thoughts on what michael jackson's legacies will be. what do you think people should remember about your friend michael jackson beyond the music? >> just what a wonderful human being he was. i mean, he was just -- i met a lot of people in my life, and i've never met anybody like him. he was an awesome human being. i miss him very dearly. >> we appreciate having you on here. we're not here to beat up your friend. there is an investigation ongoing. >> i understand. let's wait and we'll talk about it once the official -- >> trent copeland, watch us through what you expect next in the investigation. we've heard an sbim mags by the l.a. police chief that it's a possibility, i think his word was corroboration that criminal
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charges may follow in this case. what do you do as a defense attorney representing the doctor? >> first thing i will tell that doctor is look, what was krur connection with michael jackson and i want to know the extent of that relationship, whether or not you prescribed medications to michael jackson and if i feel there's some exposure, that is to say i feel like my client may be at jeopardy in terms of potentially having some criminal liability here, i may make the decision that i don't want my client to further cooperate. >> you wrote recently that you thought homicide charges could be brought in this case. you think it could rise to the level of a he homicide? >> i do. it's a stretch, but it could very well happen if certain links in this chain can connected, that is to find that there were certain medications prescribed to michael jackson that were overprescribed, that the doctor, he or she may have known his pre-existing condition was and notwithstanding that for money, for the purpose of having a relationship with michael jackson, he continued to provide that medication. if that's corroborated, those are the chief's words, if that's
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corroborated with what's found in those toxicology reports, then we might very well have a situation where one or more doctors are charged with negligent homicide. >> florida assistant state attorney. you think homicide charges could be filed? do you agree? >> i agree 100% with what he said. the problem we might have is there might not be complete records. if doctors were giving him drub drugs and not writing prescriptions, there's not records of it. not only are you investigating and looking at the trail of the doctors, but you're looking at the people that surrounded him. you have to remember in the anna nicole smith case howard k. stern wasn't a physician but he was charged for enabling, for obtaining those prescriptions by fraud. in this case not only could you have a negligent homicide, but a lot of enablers that were helping him around this case being charged with maybe
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obtaining those drugs for him. it's a wait and see. when the toxicology report comes be, we'll be more clear-minded on it. >> carlos diaz we're looking next monday at a custody hearing. so there's another element. >> there's three elements to look at. the first thing is where he's buried. where is he going to be put in the ground? the second thing is the custody. will debbie rowe fight for custody? the third thing is what killed michael jackson. those are the three main things in this case. >> where do you want these kids to go? where would they be best served? the judge is going to look at what's in the best interests of the kids. >> exactly, the best interests of the kids. right now they're in good hands with his mother. >> with katherine jackson? >> with michael's mother. >> do you think debbie rowe is going to fight for custody? >> i have no idea. >> do you know debbie rowe very well? >> very well. >> she tried to give up the interests in these kids and it
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was later overturned. do you think she'll fight for the kids? >> i have no idea. only she knows. >> miko is right, this is pure speculation. the reality is there's a custody battle, and it may not take place in front of the cameras. it may be the parties behind the scenes reconcile this. if debbie rowe is looking for custody for these children and looking for ammunition, she'll point to the age of katherine jack stson and she may not be i the best -- >> isn't a fact or because it's known that debbie rowe is not the mother of blanket, the youngest, if you're in favor of debbie rowe getting these kids you're splitting up three kids. >> that's exactly right. that's a point that has to be made, because the courts look to the best interests of the kids and whether or not there's continuity in a family, and the courts -- >> clearly -- >> the kids have to altogether. >> this is the top now for yet another show. thank you for watching
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